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		<title>By: Stella</title>
		<link>http://foodfithealth.com/blog/paleo-diet-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I follow the Paleo diet and it has worked wonders for my Hashimotos Thyroiditis symptoms. I think people eat Paleo because it improves their workouts and gets rid of their autoimmune disease symptoms. So I don&#039;t just follow it based on theories/research/principles, but because it works for my body where nothing else had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I follow the Paleo diet and it has worked wonders for my Hashimotos Thyroiditis symptoms. I think people eat Paleo because it improves their workouts and gets rid of their autoimmune disease symptoms. So I don&#8217;t just follow it based on theories/research/principles, but because it works for my body where nothing else had.</p>
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		<title>By: Roman Sasik</title>
		<link>http://foodfithealth.com/blog/paleo-diet-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>Roman Sasik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paleo dieting is not dead. The idea has its merits, but faced with evidence such as this, paleo enthusiasts should include cooked starches and grains in their diet. I mean really, do you think that our ape-like ancestors left the arboreal forest for the savannah and ignored food standing right there at their eye level (grains)? I don&#039;t think they were that stupid. Grains can be eaten raw in their milky state, and even when ripe and dry, they can be soaked and sprouted, which, incidentally, removes much of the anti-neutrient phytic acid.  Ground grains mixed with water can be made into flatbread on hot stones. It does not take a genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paleo dieting is not dead. The idea has its merits, but faced with evidence such as this, paleo enthusiasts should include cooked starches and grains in their diet. I mean really, do you think that our ape-like ancestors left the arboreal forest for the savannah and ignored food standing right there at their eye level (grains)? I don&#8217;t think they were that stupid. Grains can be eaten raw in their milky state, and even when ripe and dry, they can be soaked and sprouted, which, incidentally, removes much of the anti-neutrient phytic acid.  Ground grains mixed with water can be made into flatbread on hot stones. It does not take a genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Going Nuts on the Paleo Diet! &#124; Paleo Village</title>
		<link>http://foodfithealth.com/blog/paleo-diet-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>Going Nuts on the Paleo Diet! &#124; Paleo Village</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Samuel Avery</title>
		<link>http://foodfithealth.com/blog/paleo-diet-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Rogers,

The BBC article was not written by Paleo advocates, but by a reporter, who has written many different articles on many different diets.   The article refers to people who are not already &#039;out-and-out&#039; Paleo advocates, but people who wish to do research on &quot;how the food eaten by hunter-gatherers could enhance modern day nutrition.&quot;  Why not give the research a chance??? you&#039;re already knocking it before it has had a chance to be conducted.  Thats not a very scientific way of doing things now is it?  Try to see with without blinkered vision.  Tuyre in his comments above state that some people treat these issues as if they have a belief like a religion, and its certainly seems to be the case on this forum.

My personal take on milk (from a lay-persons point of view): We are born, and we drink our mothers milk from birth.  As we grow older, the proteins/enzymes that help us break down milk get less and less as we age.  In some people milk is no longer palettable at all, whilst others have no problem consuming it in reasonable doses.  The human race is not programed to consume milk throughout a persons lifetime, and certainly not programmed to consume milk of other species throughout our lifetimes.  I do however dissagree with the BBC article where it states we are 100% adapted to milk, because we are only adapted to our mothers milk whilst we are young.  Some people (races) have adapted to it more than others, as in many countries milk causes most people to have stomach problems when drunk in adulthood.  People who seem to be Ok with drinking milk throughout their lives aren&#039;t necessarily adapted to it, but their race have become de-sensitized to it, and no longer result in allergic/intollerant reactions to it; however it doesn&#039;t make it good for us necessarily, especially milk produced in countries like USA, where growth hormones in cattle and cows bred with enlarged udders mean that milk is contaminated with puss (reasons why USA milk is banned for import into many countries).  Its American culture that is now exported worldwide that has resulted in obesity, purely because of a relience on sugar and cerial products with most things we eat and drink.

When Paleo books/websites use the term &#039;toxic&#039;, some people immediatly think of the word &#039;poisonous&#039; in their minds.  The two are not the same.  If you read Paleo books, they do go on to explain what they mean by this... our bodys do not produce the enzymes needed to break down certain types of food when eaten raw, and even when cooked, our stomachs are left with by-products that are not good for us.

Pulses: Paleo books/websites state that pulses should not be eaten for the above reason, but since not much extensive research has been carried out, you may get differences of oppinion, that is to be expected.  The comment on pulses was not a quotation of Dr Berry, but maybe an assumption by the reporter.  I bet if you were to email the reporter (Philippa Roxby, BBC Health reporter), you would get clarification on this.

Let the research be carried out, and then find fault with it.  its not good to anyone to knock it before its been done.

Samuel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Rogers,</p>
<p>The BBC article was not written by Paleo advocates, but by a reporter, who has written many different articles on many different diets.   The article refers to people who are not already &#8216;out-and-out&#8217; Paleo advocates, but people who wish to do research on &#8220;how the food eaten by hunter-gatherers could enhance modern day nutrition.&#8221;  Why not give the research a chance??? you&#8217;re already knocking it before it has had a chance to be conducted.  Thats not a very scientific way of doing things now is it?  Try to see with without blinkered vision.  Tuyre in his comments above state that some people treat these issues as if they have a belief like a religion, and its certainly seems to be the case on this forum.</p>
<p>My personal take on milk (from a lay-persons point of view): We are born, and we drink our mothers milk from birth.  As we grow older, the proteins/enzymes that help us break down milk get less and less as we age.  In some people milk is no longer palettable at all, whilst others have no problem consuming it in reasonable doses.  The human race is not programed to consume milk throughout a persons lifetime, and certainly not programmed to consume milk of other species throughout our lifetimes.  I do however dissagree with the BBC article where it states we are 100% adapted to milk, because we are only adapted to our mothers milk whilst we are young.  Some people (races) have adapted to it more than others, as in many countries milk causes most people to have stomach problems when drunk in adulthood.  People who seem to be Ok with drinking milk throughout their lives aren&#8217;t necessarily adapted to it, but their race have become de-sensitized to it, and no longer result in allergic/intollerant reactions to it; however it doesn&#8217;t make it good for us necessarily, especially milk produced in countries like USA, where growth hormones in cattle and cows bred with enlarged udders mean that milk is contaminated with puss (reasons why USA milk is banned for import into many countries).  Its American culture that is now exported worldwide that has resulted in obesity, purely because of a relience on sugar and cerial products with most things we eat and drink.</p>
<p>When Paleo books/websites use the term &#8216;toxic&#8217;, some people immediatly think of the word &#8216;poisonous&#8217; in their minds.  The two are not the same.  If you read Paleo books, they do go on to explain what they mean by this&#8230; our bodys do not produce the enzymes needed to break down certain types of food when eaten raw, and even when cooked, our stomachs are left with by-products that are not good for us.</p>
<p>Pulses: Paleo books/websites state that pulses should not be eaten for the above reason, but since not much extensive research has been carried out, you may get differences of oppinion, that is to be expected.  The comment on pulses was not a quotation of Dr Berry, but maybe an assumption by the reporter.  I bet if you were to email the reporter (Philippa Roxby, BBC Health reporter), you would get clarification on this.</p>
<p>Let the research be carried out, and then find fault with it.  its not good to anyone to knock it before its been done.</p>
<p>Samuel</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Rogers</title>
		<link>http://foodfithealth.com/blog/paleo-diet-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-261</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon Taylor, your link to the BBC article shows just how confused Paleo advocates are. This article talks about consuming beans and milk for a start, hardly acceptable to rabid Paleo diet advocates.

And a professor Simmonds says: &quot;We need to decrease our reliance on refined sugar and a heavy carbohydrate diet, and replace some of the things we have lost.&quot; 

Well, whoopy do, hurrah to that, but you don&#039;t need a Paleo diet to achieve that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Taylor, your link to the BBC article shows just how confused Paleo advocates are. This article talks about consuming beans and milk for a start, hardly acceptable to rabid Paleo diet advocates.</p>
<p>And a professor Simmonds says: &#8220;We need to decrease our reliance on refined sugar and a heavy carbohydrate diet, and replace some of the things we have lost.&#8221; </p>
<p>Well, whoopy do, hurrah to that, but you don&#8217;t need a Paleo diet to achieve that.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Rogers</title>
		<link>http://foodfithealth.com/blog/paleo-diet-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tuyre, I would be the last one to suggest that someone should not eat a Paleo diet if that&#039;s what they want to do. As for knowing if it &#039;works&#039;, then one would have to be more circumspect about the nature of how you define that, considering the longer term implications of diet and health.
On the other hand, I don&#039;t like people making spurious scientific claims that certain proven components of healthy eating, such as whole grains, tubers and beans, are actually toxic for us. This is quackery and I&#039;ll expose it whenever I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tuyre, I would be the last one to suggest that someone should not eat a Paleo diet if that&#8217;s what they want to do. As for knowing if it &#8216;works&#8217;, then one would have to be more circumspect about the nature of how you define that, considering the longer term implications of diet and health.<br />
On the other hand, I don&#8217;t like people making spurious scientific claims that certain proven components of healthy eating, such as whole grains, tubers and beans, are actually toxic for us. This is quackery and I&#8217;ll expose it whenever I can.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Taylor</title>
		<link>http://foodfithealth.com/blog/paleo-diet-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question put in the title of this page is &quot;So Long and Thanks for All the Fish – Is Paleo Dieting Finished?&quot;

The answer seems to be no.  There are a number of companies now looking at researching the Paleo, the biggest I heard of so far is Unilever [http://www.unilever.com].

The BBC has picked up on the Paelo story, reporting about Unilever&#039;s research:

   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11075437

Companies will only persue a diet if there is profit to be made, so if they thought it was dead, they would certainly not throw money at researching it.

Also the sales of Paelo books have picked up in 2010, not reduced.  Looks like the answer to the aforementioned question is not is Paleo dead, but is this webpage dead?  I think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question put in the title of this page is &#8220;So Long and Thanks for All the Fish – Is Paleo Dieting Finished?&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer seems to be no.  There are a number of companies now looking at researching the Paleo, the biggest I heard of so far is Unilever [http://www.unilever.com].</p>
<p>The BBC has picked up on the Paelo story, reporting about Unilever&#8217;s research:</p>
<p>   <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11075437">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11075437</a></p>
<p>Companies will only persue a diet if there is profit to be made, so if they thought it was dead, they would certainly not throw money at researching it.</p>
<p>Also the sales of Paelo books have picked up in 2010, not reduced.  Looks like the answer to the aforementioned question is not is Paleo dead, but is this webpage dead?  I think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuyre Hishop</title>
		<link>http://foodfithealth.com/blog/paleo-diet-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuyre Hishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting arguments!  All I have to add is... if a diet works for you then stick to it.  Many dieters try lots of diets, and when they find one that works they carry on with it.  Good for those that either try that Paleo for weight loss and find it works, or those that try it because of various intolerences/allergies, and they dissappear on this diet.  For those who oppose this diet there are some interesting points made too.  But I find for both sides you can argue until you are blue, as its possible to prove something with facts and then go and prove the opposite with a different set of facts, thats how science is, and thats why scientists will never agree on certain things.

In terms of the Paleo argument we&#039;ve seen, I think that that there are those that take one side and others the other, and its like arguing about a religion, you can&#039;t seem to change each others minds.  What’s more some who put their arguments forward, do so in a way that seems to try an belittle those with an opposing view, and also claim to be scientific about it.  I see no science in people that argue a point in that way.  I don&#039;t think its helpful for someone like me who is on the fence to read those types of things, but the &#039;for and against&#039; facts are certainly interesting.

Keep it non-personal chaps!  We&#039;re not worshiping at the alter of a religion here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting arguments!  All I have to add is&#8230; if a diet works for you then stick to it.  Many dieters try lots of diets, and when they find one that works they carry on with it.  Good for those that either try that Paleo for weight loss and find it works, or those that try it because of various intolerences/allergies, and they dissappear on this diet.  For those who oppose this diet there are some interesting points made too.  But I find for both sides you can argue until you are blue, as its possible to prove something with facts and then go and prove the opposite with a different set of facts, thats how science is, and thats why scientists will never agree on certain things.</p>
<p>In terms of the Paleo argument we&#8217;ve seen, I think that that there are those that take one side and others the other, and its like arguing about a religion, you can&#8217;t seem to change each others minds.  What’s more some who put their arguments forward, do so in a way that seems to try an belittle those with an opposing view, and also claim to be scientific about it.  I see no science in people that argue a point in that way.  I don&#8217;t think its helpful for someone like me who is on the fence to read those types of things, but the &#8216;for and against&#8217; facts are certainly interesting.</p>
<p>Keep it non-personal chaps!  We&#8217;re not worshiping at the alter of a religion here.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, BodyByBeer . . . You&#039;ve certainly put the case for Paleo eating beautifully. 
Your insights are not only electric but also eclectic.
What more can I say . . . ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, BodyByBeer . . . You&#8217;ve certainly put the case for Paleo eating beautifully.<br />
Your insights are not only electric but also eclectic.<br />
What more can I say . . . ?</p>
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		<title>By: BodyByBeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>BodyByBeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet! I eat paleo, and it&#039;s nice to know I can eat grains now! I&#039;m sure since you posted this, showing that an isolated tribe ate grains, it will totally change the way grains interact with my body.  Good news for the american public as well, since now that grains are &quot;paleo&quot; I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll see a rapid decline in all the diseases associated with grains.  Who wants to tell all the people with autoimmune diseases that switched to paleo, that they can eat grains now with zero chance of their symptoms returning?
I don&#039;t care if you follow paleo or not, but you&#039;re an idiot if you think people who do live and die based on what one ancestor ate 4 million years ago because they were probably too retarded to catch  a decent meal.  Paleo is not a religion, it&#039;s an easy way of summing up an eating habit.  Paleo people eat what they eat because it&#039;s what works best for the human body based on evolution, not because our ancestors ate that way.  It just so happens they did.  I don&#039;t care if you find evidence that 200.000 years ago a tribe figured out how to manufacture heroin and free based it everyday.  It doesn&#039;t change how it interacts with my body.  That&#039;s what true paleo people care about: how what you put into your body affects it.
Allow I don&#039;t know what we&#039;re arguing about, bucklesnarf seems to have the key to the human diet.  Grains are cool because he feeds his dog grains.  That&#039;s all the evidence I need.  Now excuse me, I&#039;m going to go eat some feces.  My dog eats that, so it must be cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet! I eat paleo, and it&#8217;s nice to know I can eat grains now! I&#8217;m sure since you posted this, showing that an isolated tribe ate grains, it will totally change the way grains interact with my body.  Good news for the american public as well, since now that grains are &#8220;paleo&#8221; I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll see a rapid decline in all the diseases associated with grains.  Who wants to tell all the people with autoimmune diseases that switched to paleo, that they can eat grains now with zero chance of their symptoms returning?<br />
I don&#8217;t care if you follow paleo or not, but you&#8217;re an idiot if you think people who do live and die based on what one ancestor ate 4 million years ago because they were probably too retarded to catch  a decent meal.  Paleo is not a religion, it&#8217;s an easy way of summing up an eating habit.  Paleo people eat what they eat because it&#8217;s what works best for the human body based on evolution, not because our ancestors ate that way.  It just so happens they did.  I don&#8217;t care if you find evidence that 200.000 years ago a tribe figured out how to manufacture heroin and free based it everyday.  It doesn&#8217;t change how it interacts with my body.  That&#8217;s what true paleo people care about: how what you put into your body affects it.<br />
Allow I don&#8217;t know what we&#8217;re arguing about, bucklesnarf seems to have the key to the human diet.  Grains are cool because he feeds his dog grains.  That&#8217;s all the evidence I need.  Now excuse me, I&#8217;m going to go eat some feces.  My dog eats that, so it must be cool.</p>
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